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It’s Zack Snyder vs. Joss Whedon as we break down the Justice League that MIGHT have been. Did the reshoots and rewrites by Joss Whedon save the film or would Zack Snyder’s original cut be a classic? We use Superman’s bad upper lip CGI to tell you where Whedon stepped in vs Zack Snyder plus an article on Digital Spy to piece together this pieced together superhero flick.

PLUS: We rank every DC film of the past 4 years with Rotten Tomatoes Tomatometer Critic Danielle Solzman

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Justice League: Our Review Notes

1.     The pivot to humor: very evident in this film saved it. There’s no question.

2.     Bad upper lip CGi

3.     The Trump of movies; either people loved it or hated it

4.     Superman: Vibrant colors. We actually get a real Superman: full of hope,

5.     Reminded me briefly of Season six of Buffy when he went dark.

6.     No real plot if you think about it

7.     What about that closing scene?Wonder Woman Ben Affleck

SNYDER VS Whedon:

http://www.digitalspy.com/movies/justice-league/feature/a843529/justice-league-zack-snyder-cut/

The Russian family wouldn’t exist in Snyder’s version – the family are a Whedon addition and they don’t make a lot of sense. (Why that family? Where’s everyone else? Why don’t the Parademons break in and eat them? Are Parademons so weak they can’t get through a minor barricade?) But at least it leads to that funny gag involving The Flash pushing the car and Superman carrying a building, so it was worth it we guess?

The first proper meeting of the League appears to have been completely retooled by Whedon, and it’s the first sign that he completely changed the Superman narrative (pretty much every shot of Superman in this film has a wobbly lip, which means his dialogue was totally redone).

This is roughly the same as Snyder’s intended cut structurally, with significant reshoot changes. For instance, we assume we would have had Superman come back from the dead in the comic-referencing black suit we were promised on Henry Cavill’s Instagram in this scene.

Also, sources say a Cyborg premonition sequence – which would have played just before the team enacted the whole ‘bring Superman back from the dead’ plan – would have happened here.

It would have tied the plot more closely to the Knightmare sequence from BvS, suggesting that this is the evil Superman from that vision.

The subsequent fight between Superman and the League was all Snyder, but would have run longer, taken place at dusk, and would have involved more collateral damage. (Cyborg’s cut “You should probably move” line is from this scene.)

In Snyder’s version, we would have had more shots of the world reacting to the threat, as red skies cover everything. We would also have had far fewer lame quips from Batman.

There also would have been a resolution of a thread involving Aquaman’s trident, which Batman gives back to him in one of the trailers (the released film doesn’t tell us why he has it, or show us him handing it over).

Again, all the Superman stuff is Whedon’s, except for a couple of interactions between Superman and Cyborg – which presumably happen after this cut shot of Cyborg trying to deal with the Mother Box on his own (man, Cyborg was hard-done-by in the studio cut).

Also, Snyder wanted Wonder Woman to decapitate Steppenwolf, presumably because he killed so many of her people. Whedon changed it to that whole thing about the smell of fear (what is it with Joss and smells?) leading to his downfall at the hands of the Parademons, who won’t kill a terrified Russian family, but they will kill their boss (anti-climax much?).

The first post-credits sequence, in which Flash races Superman, is Whedon. The second post-credits sequence (aka the one that doesn’t look like it was shot on a VHS camcorder) is Snyder’s

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NEXT WEEK:  In partnership with the History Channel, we preview their new Knights of the Templar scripted series Knightfall! Is this the next Game of Thrones?

PLUS: We interview creator Dai Quan Cain who fulfills a lifelong dream with his new Kickstarter The Silent Descendants

We play “Would You Rather” with our guest Mariano Nicieza, co-creator of Stan Lee’s “Godwoke.” Would you rather…watch Justice League on opening night or binge watch Netflix Punisher? Would you rather…re-watch the Zack Snyder trilogy before going to see JL or re-watch the Star Wars prequels before Last Jedi? And more!

PLUS: Four Reasons the Justice League Movie Can Fail and Netflix Changes The Punisher’s Origin – does it matter?

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Would You Rather?

  1. Go see Justice League on opening night or binge watch The Punisher on Netflix?
  2. Go see either or re-watch Thor: Ragnarok?
  3. Re-watch the first two films from the Zack Snyder Trilogy before consuming JL or re-watch the Disney Star Wars films before Last Jedi?
  4. Binge the Marvel Netflix universe or the DC Arrow-verse?

 

Netflix’s ‘The Punisher’ Totally Reboots His Marvel Origin Story

https://www.inverse.com/article/38383-marvel-netflix-punisher-origin-reboot-mcu-comics

As Marvel’s The Punisher heads to Netflix on November 17, it’s worth observing how much Frank Castle has evolved. On the surface, TV’s Jon Bernthal looks the same as Frank Castle does in the comics: Black clothes? Check. Leather trench? Check. White skull? Ammunition belts? Check, check. But behind the scary arsenal, and inside his actual skull, there lies a different Frank Castle than we’ve known since 1974. In short, the origin story of the character is now totally different from the comics.

 

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NEXT WEEK:  We preview the highly anticipated JLA movie. Will last minute re-writes and re-shoots sink this DC Vessel? Or can Joss Whedon help the film rise above the negative buzz?

PLUS: We welcome Phazer creator Mariano Nicieza to the show to talk about his new William Shatner/Stan Lee collaboration.

We’re all over the new season of Stranger Things 2 with one of the show’s stars, actor Paul Reiser! Did it live up to the hype? Was it better or worse than season 1? And what about that episode 7?

Stranger Things 2 Paul Reiser

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Here’s our Yay and Nay for Stranger Things 2 as we ask the question: Too much 80s? Is why we like this show nostalgia versus good storytelling?

YAY

  • For me it got interesting every time Paul Reiser and the government got involved.
  • Dustin & Lucas were the most engaging – the dynamic of them trying to impress MadMAx – felt like Turtle and Drama from Entourage.
  • Liked the Hopper /Eleven storyline especially with him losing his daughter.
  • This whole season both maintains the feel of the first while having completely nothing to do with it at the same time. More character driven. More after effects. Doesn’t make it better but it is different.
  • They mix and match characters very effectively. Steve/Dustin, Max/Lucas
  • Storylines converge nicely

Stranger Things 2 Review

NAY

  • Will and Mike look too much alike.
  • The “Gremlins” nod with Dart…that’s where we start getting into..is this too much nostalgia based stuff? Are we simply rehashing the movies we love? Temple of Doom reference too… could have been cool if it was a scarce reference, the whole season felt like a nod to other movies, right down to Paul Reiser reprising his role from Aliens.

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NEXT WEEK: We go full Thor: Ragnarok! Is this another win for the Marvel U? Or is this just another Avengers movie in disguise?

PLUS: We welcome the VP of Marvel Digital, Ryan Penagos on to talk about the House of Ideas and their online plans for 2018

Ben Affleck & Geoff Johns now have prominent roles at the top of DC Films. But after ‘Batman V Superman’ bombed, can this Dynamic Duo undo the damage Zack Snyder has wrought? Or will Suicide Squad crash and burn come August?

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We break down Captain America: Civil War. We give our Spoiler-Free review – is this the best Marvelverse movie of all time? Where does Civil War rank among the Marvel movies to date?

And how does it compare to DC’s Batman v Superman? Is Civil War THAT much better? And what’s the one common flaw they BOTH share. All this and more for or first PrimeTime show!

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Captain America: Civil War is upon us! Are you #teamcap? Or #teamironman? Did you know you’re probably on the wrong side no matter what? That’s because Marvel royally screwed up the politics in the original Civil War. We dove into all of that, described how the movie universe got it right and gave our predictions for what is sure to be the movie event of the summer with the gang from BadCoyoteFunky

And that’s not all! Join Secrets of the Sire as we hit PRIMETIME this Wednesday May 11th 8:30pm ET on TalkingAlternative.com as we give our spoiler free review and compare it to Batman v Superman!

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Is the DC Movie Universe as far away from competing with Marvel as some people think? Or will Suicide Squad lead DC out of the rear view and into the forefront. We discussed Civil War V DC Universe, the new Tomb Raider and we introduced the new “Spinning The Racks” segment in our latest episode of Secrets of the Sire.

And that’s not all! In preparation for Civil War I’ll be joining the gang from Bad Coyote Funky Thursday 9:30pm ET on Twitch.tv/badcoyotefunky as we break down the original Civil War mini series. Then Friday May 6th, we’ll be welcoming them on Secrets of the Sire for our FINAL show at 11am ET before we hit PRIMETIME Wednesday May 11th on TalkingAlternative.com!

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